I was talking to a friend about relationship stuff and he mentioned economy vs emotion. Not The Economy like the sad state of our financial economy. But the economy of a relationship ie how well it is meeting our needs(I thought it was interesting Theresa posted about that today!) and how that is separate from the emotion of the relationship ie how we feel about the person.
I had not realized that people did not necessarily see these are two separate areas, I think for me it is very natural to see them very separately. So I wondered...how well do you do in separating these two parts of a relationship?
Have you been in a relationship where you loved them passionately...but the relationship simply did not or could not meet your needs for whatever reason?how difficult was it to see that it not meeting your needs was not necessarily connected to their feelings for you or your feelings for them? or Maybe you have been in a relationship where the relationship was working for you(giving you stability and sex whatever it is you felt good about having) but you were not passionately in love with them?
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For me, I have been in the first kind of relationship. Passionately in love...but the relationship just wasn't meeting my needs, fitting my life. It is very hard for me in the midst of it to see that it didn't mean he didn't love me. It's much easier now that I'm not there anymore. But I began wondering if he could separate the too. If he thought that because it didn't work for me it meant that I didn't love him.
I had not realized that people did not necessarily see these are two separate areas, I think for me it is very natural to see them very separately. So I wondered...how well do you do in separating these two parts of a relationship?
Have you been in a relationship where you loved them passionately...but the relationship simply did not or could not meet your needs for whatever reason?how difficult was it to see that it not meeting your needs was not necessarily connected to their feelings for you or your feelings for them? or Maybe you have been in a relationship where the relationship was working for you(giving you stability and sex whatever it is you felt good about having) but you were not passionately in love with them?
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For me, I have been in the first kind of relationship. Passionately in love...but the relationship just wasn't meeting my needs, fitting my life. It is very hard for me in the midst of it to see that it didn't mean he didn't love me. It's much easier now that I'm not there anymore. But I began wondering if he could separate the too. If he thought that because it didn't work for me it meant that I didn't love him.
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Re: Emotion vs economy
Thu, June 12, 2008 - 7:06 PMi think that is an interesting concept. in fact, economic models fit well when there is an exchange going on, as there clearly is in a relationship. you expect to get a certain rate of return for what you invest, and if you don't, you dump your porfolio and invest somewhere else. of course, monetary economics also sometimes get tangled up with emotion, usually with a market crash as a result. -
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Thu, June 12, 2008 - 9:22 PMohmigracious - just *look* how handsome our Papa Red is!!! Nice! :o)
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Re: Emotion vs economy
Fri, June 13, 2008 - 2:50 PMWell, economy (and money in general) is all based on value. We tend to forget that's all money is: a placeholder for value/want/desire. How valued we are in a relationship, and how much value we place on different sorts of interactions, is a very large part of all human relations and especially romantic ones.
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Re: Emotion vs economy
Thu, June 12, 2008 - 7:20 PM>how well do you do in separating these two parts of a relationship?
Too well, I'm afraid. I haven't met a person yet that meets my intellectual, spiritual and sexual needs, so I end up with people in my life who meet some of my needs, but I don't fall in love. So it tends to go only so far, the person figures out that they can't win my heart and they turn into a psycho. *sighs*
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Not so great, aktuly
Fri, June 13, 2008 - 2:55 PMI do well at separating economy and emotion in my head, but I have trouble feeling it. My needs do tend to be very emotional. I'm very self-sufficient in many other ways so my needs are slight. It is emotionally where I am the most vulnerable and where most of my "needs" from a relationship are based. Financially and intellectually I only really require that I not have to carry them (though a little extra intellectual stimulation is deeply appreciated) and that they not attempt to stifle or parent me. So the economic coin of my relationships IS emotion. -
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Re: Not so great, aktuly
Fri, June 13, 2008 - 4:11 PMthe economic coin of my relationships is emotion too. But that shows it's self in practical ways for me. For instance I was talking to someone today about what it was that I meant when I said last year that I needed someone who was available. Of course emotionally available was first. But I also needed someone who was available time wise. That is a practical issue. It concerns how far away they live, if they have other responsibilities like children or traveling for work. The reason they are important is emotional. But the issue it's self is very separate from how I feel about them. if that makes sense.
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Re: Emotion vs economy
Sat, June 14, 2008 - 10:32 PMI was talking about a related thing with my friend D. For a lot of people it is difficult to allow ourselves to feel our emotions because it seems like if you admit you are having an emotion, your course of action is automatically set. ie: I feel love, I must sleep with this person; I feel anger, I must hurt this person, etc etc. The truth is they are separate, just as you say.
I must work with this "economy of relationship" these days since the welfare of my kids is so important to me; I have lots of dealbreakers. But emotion seems to flow freely in its own course anyways, and I don't really want to deny it its due. I hated feeling like I had to choose between never feeling and not being cared for in my prior relationships.
Being able to acknowledge strong emotion, and then being able to make a good choice about the situation that is separate from the emotion, is one of those great life skills I didn't even know I needed a few years ago. I wish I could do it more easily. -
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Re: Emotion vs economy
Sun, June 15, 2008 - 1:43 AM<<<Have you been in a relationship where you loved them passionately...but the relationship simply did not or could not meet your needs for whatever reason?how difficult was it to see that it not meeting your needs was not necessarily connected to their feelings for you or your feelings for them? or Maybe you have been in a relationship where the relationship was working for you(giving you stability and sex whatever it is you felt good about having) but you were not passionately in love with them?>>>
Yes. To all of it, tho' more often the first, where there was lots of passion, even a truly deep emotional connection... but the relationship wasn't workable for other reasons. I can think of 2 relationships in particular, which had very deep emotions, creativity, & attraction at their core, but that didn't work long-term day-to-day. Both happened in my 30's, & on & off, totaled about 2 years each. Both had a lot to do w/ intense events in our lives, being muses for each other, & working thru issues. I'd had, & have had other relationships w/ that pattern, but never as intensely, or as long.
As I've gotten older, I realize that a fabulous lover does not always make a good LTR, or live-in partner.. And yet... I've never been able to really compromise on that point, as some people I know have done. (Usually when children were involved).
I'm long past seeking lots of drama... but hot chemistry along w/ a soulful, & intellectual spark, is really important. Otherwise, I think of a relationship as a friendship... but not a romance. This can get messy, because I do get attached to men I have great sex w/ regularly, & they to me. Sometimes there's love. And more often than not... it isn't really right for the long haul.
Good communication skills, ability to give & receive honesty & respect... healing work done or being done to offset any serious damage suffered... freedom from substance abuse... I've found these things to also be essential for a more lasting relationship. Some common goals & interest help.
And sometimes, even certain tastes & habits in lifestyle can clash enough to make a serious relationship very difficult. I'm a hard-core night owl. Life has proved difficult w/ hard-core larks. We have to be able to just plain get along!
I've also had a few tough experiences w/ lovers who just couldn't pull their own weight financially. I've never been that naive, so no big-time financial damage. But lots of frustration, especially when we were long distance, & trying to work it out... This is why I do care about money somewhat now, if a connection is to be more than a fling. I don't care if a man is wealthy at all... just able to meet his own basic needs consistently, & have a touch left to enjoy himself w/.
It has gotten easier to take things less personally in general... & that includes my love life. My last LTR fit into the "hot as hell but unworkable in the long run" category. I knew from the beginning he was not really what I wanted... but he was so damn sexy, lol!!! Things got kinda complicated for awhile... When we ended, we talked things through honestly. The wound was cleaner, & I healed relatively quickly, because I knew it was more about him, & how we didn't really fit as partners, than it was about some insult to me, or to him.
I realize I've always been more attracted to men as muses & catalysts, & friends, than as stable, steady partners. This sometimes isn't easy, but it's who I've been, & I can claim it now.
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Re: Emotion vs economy
Sun, June 15, 2008 - 1:28 PMYES! I think people do that! They have this idea about what it means to love someone so if they do love someone or admit that they love them then they think that they must stay with them. or be with them in the first place, or take care of them or sleep with them or whatever.
It just doesn't work that way. Or rather it needs to not work that way IMO
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Re: Emotion vs economy
Sun, June 15, 2008 - 5:20 AMHave you been in a relationship where you loved them passionately...but the relationship simply did not or could not meet your needs for whatever reason?
Yes. I can count 3 that were intense, but lacked emotional value. NOt to say that there wasn't some emotional exchange and support, but let's just say that when tendered, there was still a balance owed.
how difficult was it to see that it not meeting your needs was not necessarily connected to their feelings for you or your feelings for them?
I gotta say that it wasn't that hard for me to see it, but in all three, I was in denial for a period of time. I suppose I was just holding out for that magical moment that never came. Upon realization that the moment was never going to come, I was quick to move on. It seems though, that in all three, the one I was leaving just couldn't let go. This makes me think that in some way they were getting what they needed emotionally.
or Maybe you have been in a relationship where the relationship was working for you(giving you stability and sex whatever it is you felt good about having) but you were not passionately in love with them?
I haven't experienced that.