Funny and fascinating, I don't know about you but I have seen some dogs in similar situations and i can't say i haven't had my own bit of confusion developing my sexuality as well. I do find it interesting that they would use the word 'harassment' to describe animal behavior as if they have any level of self-awareness.
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Re: interspecies lovin'
Fri, May 2, 2008 - 11:17 AMI think harassment is an appropriate word. Harassment doesn't describe self awareness. I've been harassed by a fly or mosquito that wouldn't leave me alone.
what I cringed at was "But then we realised that the seal's intentions were rather more amorous."
I realize that this is all looked at very differently in the animal kingdom but I still don't like a human calling it "amorous" You can say it's not rape because it's not self aware behavior...but then it wouldn't seem correct to call it love either. and mostly I'm just irritated that a scientist would rather describe it in "cute" terms then say sexual.
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Fri, May 2, 2008 - 2:16 PMI was just visiting a friend and saw the weirdest thing, no joke...
Her FEMALE dog was dry-humping her male cat. ??? THAT was a new one. -
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Fri, May 2, 2008 - 8:27 PMOh jeez. One of my friend's dogs used to hump the tomcat's head all the damn time. It was a huge half wolf sled dog so the spectacle was rather bizarre to witness.
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Fri, May 2, 2008 - 3:11 PMMy girlfriend/coven mate is a zookeeper, and she told me a story about how one of her penguins made love to our (then-) governer's cowboy boots, and how icked out he was about it! (Snickers!)
I think boy dogs will hump just about anything they can wrap their paws around - our girl child, when she was 6, was absolutely *mortified* when her uncle's big yellow lab threw himself on her back when she was walking away from him, and tried having his way with her. She didn't really know what he was doing, but I could recognized the glint of trauma in her eyes . . . poor li'l thing! The dog had fun, though. ;o) Bleh. -
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Fri, May 2, 2008 - 3:34 PMeep.
My dog only humps other dogs. He doesn't care which end of them as long as he can hump them. He is a lover not a fighter. -
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Fri, May 2, 2008 - 4:17 PMour girl dog is the humper...the boy is the licker. Though come to think of it the girl likes to lick my legs and feet as much as he does. Though I HATE that so I don't react well, probably it's just that she is so think headed about stuff that she hasn't gotten that that is why I'm telling her no(o:
we have bizarre dogs though, and I know her humping him is her way of saying she is in charge. -
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Fri, May 2, 2008 - 4:48 PMMost dogs hump other dogs as a display of dominance.
Some animals are just hornier than others :) -
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Fri, May 2, 2008 - 9:57 PMMolly said:
>"Most dogs hump other dogs as a display of dominance. "<
Yep exactly... So how do all you folks with humpin dogs feel about being OWNED by your animals?
Personally I have never lived with a dog that has ever displayed that trait. Then again with my animals they understand that I am their pack leader and their behavior reflects it.
Used to do some "Vicious animal" rescue for a few years with a friend. Even the nastiest with respond in a compliant relaxed submissive manner when faced with a stronger <not just physically stronger> individual. That is how their mind works. Nothing wrong with it. Just the pack structure. My typical method was to drive the animal down to his back on the ground. A guy I worked with would actually <fully clothed> mount the problem animal. Both methods worked.
JSin
Cats are a bit tougher to manage though they also very quickly learn how the hierarchy works.
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Sun, May 4, 2008 - 2:56 PMHe doesn't hump me. He is perfectly aware that I am in charge.
Notice I said OTHER ODOGS. Not People!
I never had a problem with "alpha rolls", but some people in the dogtribe suggest that it can be dangerous. I worked at the Humane Society for years and rolled many dogs, never got bit. -
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Mon, May 5, 2008 - 8:55 AMYep humping other dogs as well is indicative of a dog that believes he is running the show. If you actually were, in his perception, in control of the pack that would not occur. Reason his option to breed or fuck is based on position in the pack. The pack leader owns all of those below him or her.
The behavior would not occur because in his perception you would own the object of his amory.
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Fri, May 9, 2008 - 7:24 PMI have to disagree.
Dogs know levels. It's not just the "alpha" and everyone else.
The humping establishes dominence. But if they are under one, they have to find their place in the rank.
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Yeah, there was a sea otter in Monterey Bay...
Sat, May 3, 2008 - 11:25 AMWhich was fucking and killing seal pups. I seem to recall that the wildlife folks tried to relocate him.
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Re: interspecies lovin'
Sat, May 3, 2008 - 12:02 PMcan't really blame the guy. penguins are pretty cute.
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Sat, May 3, 2008 - 12:27 PMHow many of you have had sex with another animal, or have fantasized about it? -
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Sat, May 3, 2008 - 12:45 PMhmm, well, i had sex w/a girl who told me later she fantasized bout horses. does that count? -
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Sat, May 3, 2008 - 1:30 PMyeah, i didn't think so.
i guess i have nothing more to add to this topic.
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Sat, May 3, 2008 - 6:37 PM<or have fantasized about it?>
if by "animal", you mean Laurence Fishburne...sure, I've fantasised about it. As for the four legged furry type of animal, notsomuch. That's a Web Squicking idea.
"You can love your pets, just not LOVE your pets." --The Truth About Cats and Dogs -
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Sat, May 3, 2008 - 6:48 PMWell....I've know one woman who had great fun with her dog, and another who has wonderful fantasies about it that she hasn't followed through on. How prevalent is this? -
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Sat, May 3, 2008 - 8:09 PMIt's more prevalent then most folks would like to think unfortunately. Dogs, horses, and donkeys seem to be the most common objects. I can never decide how to feel about it ethically. If you get your dog to lick peanut butter off of you are you abusing the dog? It gets a snack and I imagine isn't traumatized..... but it didn't consent to being used for sexual purposes. I just don't know.
I DO know that for me it's a big no-no, but I have been intrigued by the notion of shape-shifters since I was very young. If you presented me with a nice young stud who could think and talk like a human being I might have to rearange my definitions. My second rule of sex is "Everybody must give informed verbal consent." I've not yet met the animal that could do this. I also just can't really get attracted to a creature that is incapable of providing me with conversation. If I just want a cock I have some nice silicone ones that will be a lot easier and less ethically ambiguous. -
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Sun, May 4, 2008 - 6:24 PMI'm thinkin' a dog with a hard-on, pumping his sperm into a woman's pussy, is NOT feeling abused..... -
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Mon, May 5, 2008 - 5:15 AMOh I have no doubt, but I'm still not sure whether or not it IS abuse. You can, in some cases, abuse even humans with their full and willing consent beyond what is ethically tolerable. With an animal...... I just don't know. I can't help but feeling the dog is being used poorly but I can't really put my finger on WHY. The funny thing is that if an owner noticed the dog was horny and frustrated and manually stimulated it to climax I don't think I'd feel it was abuse. It has something to do with using a creature that cannot understand for our own pleasure.
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Sun, May 11, 2008 - 5:40 PMno i think you make perfect sense. its being used for your pleasure, that is kinda squicky.
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Sun, May 4, 2008 - 10:02 PMI've been intrigued by shape shifters for some time now, too, but there's also an aspect of danger there that's appealing, at least to me. I'm not nearly as intrigued by anthro or furry critters, which tend to be fur people, rather than humans that are battling their animal instincts. Or maybe embracing them... -
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Mon, May 5, 2008 - 5:20 AMWhen I was growing up I had a huge crush on Anubis so I guess anthropomophized critters can do it for me (though mascot costumes sure as hell don't). The key ingredient for me isn't shape but intelligence. I could potentially be attracted to almost any shape if it help a good mind. On the other side of that coin you could hand me Adonis but if he opened up his mouth and all that came out was "woof" I'd lose interest immediately. My sex is psychological and without a developed psyche to play with there isn't much to turn me on.
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Re: interspecies lovin'
Sat, May 10, 2008 - 4:25 PMif by "animal", you mean Laurence Fishburne...sure, I've fantasised about it. As for the four legged furry type of animal, notsomuch. That's a Web Squicking idea.
hahahahahahahahahahahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
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Re: interspecies lovin'
Sat, May 10, 2008 - 4:23 PMYeah, I mean I know there are homosexual rape situations in many species as a form of domination and not really a sexual thing, but don't seals EAT penguins??
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Sat, May 10, 2008 - 4:33 PM"Not really a sexual thing?" Umm, I'm not sure that's true. There's also a lot of heterosexual rape and it IS a sexual thing. For some species that's one of the main modes of reproduction. I suspect the homosexual rape often is sexual also. There is evidence that it is often done to completion. -
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Sun, May 11, 2008 - 2:58 PMI don't tend to think of rape amoung humans as a sexual thing in most cases. -
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Re: interspecies lovin'
Sun, May 11, 2008 - 4:13 PMSometimes it really is about sex, but it has a lot of anger and power and pain and aggression and dominance mixed in. The thing is that we have a drastically more complex network of emotional motives than your average mallard. Our grandparents the Chimps use rape routinely both to establish dominance AND for reproductive purposes. There are many different ways a man can establish dominance over a woman. If he chooses rape then I believe sexuality is somehow involved, though it may not be a form of sexuality that anybody in this "room" would wish to acknowledge as such. In some cases a man is raping a woman that he could not attain coitus with in any other way. In some cases he isn't really raping the woman at hand but using her as a symbol of a woman who hurt him and made him feel lesser somehow. Sometimes it is a punishment for women the man perceives to be sexually loose and therefor no longer in his mind merit the right to say no. And perhaps, just perhaps, there is a part of the chimpanzee in the back of our brain pushing us to leave our seed in our enemies' wombs. -
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Re: interspecies lovin'
Sun, May 11, 2008 - 4:42 PMI think it can be sexual I don't think it is sexual nearly as often as people seem to automatically put rape down as sex of a certain situation. It's definitely complicated, and sexuality and it's many complications are definitely all tied up in there...but when people think of it as being sexual I think they miss the really big components that make it rape, that push or lure that person to commit that crime. -
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Sun, May 11, 2008 - 5:42 PMyeah i mean its a violation of its own right - but using sex as a means to commit the crime. i cant quite separate the two. -
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Re: interspecies lovin'
Mon, May 12, 2008 - 4:40 PMyeah, it's a powerful tool sex. Too bad some people use it as a weapon to hurt people in the deepest way possible.
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Sun, May 11, 2008 - 7:34 PMI agree that it should not be viewed only as a sexually driven act, but I also get cranky when folks say rape has nothing to do with sex. If that were true then men would rape other men just as easily as they rape women, which is not the case. Homosexual rape certainly happens, especially when other men are the only available sexual outlet, but heterosexual men almost exclusively rape women while homosexual men almost exclusively rape other males. Sex is part of it, just not all of it. -
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Re: interspecies lovin'
Mon, May 12, 2008 - 4:38 PMI think it is a sign alot of times that sexuality is all mixed up in things I don't think it should be.
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