occasionally I just get curious about the make up of this tribe. Today I got wondering who all is Poly and who all is Mono and who is someplace in the middle.
and I wonder if this is who you are or something you have or are doing?
I don't think either is better or more enlightened or more ethical than the other. I find that for me I am whatever you'd call someone who can be part of a poly or mono relationship depending on the person, relationship, situation. Right now I'm happily monogamous, before this relationship I was poly and I see wonderful and difficult things about both.
so where do you fall on the mono/poly spectrum?
and I wonder if this is who you are or something you have or are doing?
I don't think either is better or more enlightened or more ethical than the other. I find that for me I am whatever you'd call someone who can be part of a poly or mono relationship depending on the person, relationship, situation. Right now I'm happily monogamous, before this relationship I was poly and I see wonderful and difficult things about both.
so where do you fall on the mono/poly spectrum?
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Re: Poly <~~> Mono
Tue, April 22, 2008 - 5:42 PMmonogamous. but i wouldn't say no to an extra wife; us computer geeks know that redundancy is good. -
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Re: Poly <~~> Mono
Tue, April 22, 2008 - 5:54 PMPoly, in the sense that I'm nonproprietory in my relationships and open to love when it occurs. -
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Re: Poly <~~> Mono
Tue, April 22, 2008 - 6:12 PMmono, most definitely....just because that's how I'm wired. -
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Re: Poly <~~> Mono
Wed, April 23, 2008 - 10:46 AMI do believe that some people are totally wired for mono and some for poly and then others who have more flexibility.
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Re: Poly <~~> Mono
Tue, April 22, 2008 - 6:11 PMi don't like labels, i like cool irresistable people, and i take it situation by situation.
i'd even be open to one incredible person being the only lover in my life... but they'd have to be pretty damned remarkable ;^) -
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Re: Poly <~~> Mono
Tue, April 22, 2008 - 6:18 PMmono.
i want to have the whole enchilada.
but just one.
thanx.
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Re: Poly <~~> Mono
Wed, April 23, 2008 - 10:45 AMthat is an excellent way to explain how I feel about it!
It's funny I get all wiggly about putting labels on me...but I do find them helpful in getting to know other people and part of that is getting to know what people mean when they use a label since I don't think it means the same thing to everyone. Not in the detail I like to know about people.
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Re: Poly <~~> Mono
Tue, April 22, 2008 - 6:33 PMsuddenly single (death of spouse)
involuntarily celibate for 10+ years (long story)
which is why I am here... I am no longer sure about anything -
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Re: Poly <~~> Mono
Wed, April 23, 2008 - 10:48 AMI was just talking to someone about this. About how in the moment when you are no longer sure of anything, in the time when you no longer know who you are anymore...that is the magic time, that is the time when you can let go of the ideas that influence who you thought you could be and see who you really are even though it's a work in progress. This is the time of freedom.
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Re: Poly <~~> Mono
Tue, April 22, 2008 - 7:22 PMMono.. sort of. I'm only with my Master and only allowed to be (and I'm fine with that. I don't think I could handle two at the moment @_@) But I've done things with Master's wife under his direction. I consider myself mono and I don't think of her ad my gf or Mistress or anything.
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Re: Poly <~~> Mono
Tue, April 22, 2008 - 8:12 PMI'm not mono.....if that answers your question. lol -
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Re: Poly <~~> Mono
Wed, April 23, 2008 - 10:49 AMnot really(o: I was thinking about how much room there is in there for people to do things so many different ways and I was curious about how people actually live and love.
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Re: Poly <~~> Mono
Tue, April 22, 2008 - 8:48 PMI'm definitely poly. I like variety. I also like having a main squeeze at home.
So I guess I'd say my preference is an open relationship - one main partner and a few FWB.
I tried married monagamy for 20 years. It was good, but frustrating too.
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Re: Poly <~~> Mono
Tue, April 22, 2008 - 8:54 PMI am a serial monagamist. But am currently dipping my foot in the dating pool. I don't think I would ever adopt the poly thing, I know for me it doesn't five with my emotional needs. But I have seen it work really well for others. -
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Re: Poly <~~> Mono
Tue, April 22, 2008 - 9:04 PMnot so much one for labels either... that said, i am open to love where it presents itself but primarily i find it comes from my partner.
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Re: Poly <~~> Mono
Tue, April 22, 2008 - 9:50 PMHistorically a serial monogamist. Finding that, after all this time, I may be more poly, or simply non-mono, than I had thought. I have a few lovers, but when I think of poly, I usually think of somebody who is in a serious relationship with one, but who can play with others. Mine is more non-commital, but also when I'm with somebody, I'm very much with them. It's weird, since friends with bene's doesn't describe it, and it's definitely not casual sex.
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Re: Poly <~~> Mono
Tue, April 22, 2008 - 11:00 PMMost definitely poly, though I lived a monogamous lifestyle for nearly 18 years. These days my way of dealing with monos is this: I accept you for who you are. I hope you cansay the same. Don't try to 'fix' me, because I don't need fixing.
Could I live a monogamous lifestyle again? Sure. Do I want to? Nope.
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It's a Mystery to Me.
Wed, April 23, 2008 - 12:03 AMI am mono, as in single guy, as opposed to stereo, but I am hoping for that other earpiece so the sound of life moves from one side of the room to the other. I'd also like the latest technology in viewing pleasure, you know like maybe a gazillion dots per square inch. A little screen will do, something about my size. I've got some ideas about what I'd like to see, but as they said in The Virgin Suicides, women got us figured out a long time ago. Just give me some chips and a nice comfy sofa and it's like, "Game's On!"
Oh, and it must be nice being in a position, where you can debate which methodology for achieving pleasure is better. Frankly, if you want to know the truth, my kind of (hopeful) intimacy is something I like to share with one significant other. I am much too uncomplicated to address two, and god-forbid more female creatures at one time. As Jeffrey Eugenides said, I'll never understand the depth they exude; one woman is more than any man should ask for.
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Re: Poly <~~> Mono
Wed, April 23, 2008 - 5:00 AMI'm currently in a triad relationship with one man and one woman. None of us sleeps with anyone else, but the dynamics of the relationship are shifting, and that status will almost certainly change sometime in the next year or so. For the first time in the twelve years that I've been exclusive with my husband, I'm opening up to the idea of intimacy with other men. We discussed his proclivities before we got married, and he is definitely interested in safe exploration with other women. With our girlfriend living with us and his current job stress, it hasn't been an issue...he's gotten all he needs at home.
I should probably mention that I've had cerebral sex with lots and lots of men through online role playing and the occasional cybersex session. Some people would consider that sex, even though there was no physical or face to face contact. It's all done within the parameters of our relationship agreement.
The truth is, we're currently in a state of flux, and definitions (mono/poly, bi/straight, Dom/sub) are difficult to pin in place. I can safely take the middle of the road in most issues, if I want to even make a pretense of accuracy. But where's the middle of the road between mono and poly? I'm bi, switch...moly? -
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Re: Poly <~~> Mono
Wed, April 23, 2008 - 10:58 AMMoly! I love it!
and I think it's a totally valid relationship style. There are lots of people in commited triads or Vees or whatever. I've heard if called PolyFidelity. Infact if I was not mono I'd be polyfidelous(sp?) not the poly that I generally see in my poly friends. -
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Re: Poly <~~> Mono
Wed, April 23, 2008 - 12:30 PMMoly! I like it. I'm straight, but there are two in my life that are bi. I know that one of the ladies sees a woman somewhat regularly. I've only been open to all this grey area in the last year, and it has been quite a journey. -
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Re: Poly <~~> Mono
Wed, April 23, 2008 - 2:33 PMwhat opened you up to the grey area? -
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Re: Poly <~~> Mono
Thu, April 24, 2008 - 7:44 AM"what opened you up to the grey area? " The other way wasn't working. I went through a period post-divorce where I really wanted to be in a long term, most likely married relationship. A string of monogamous relationships resulting in hard breakups (mostly initiated by me, which sucks!), and making no progress in finding what I wanted. I had convinced myself that I was done with dating, and was only going to sleep with someone if there was a good chance that I would end up married to them. Clearly, way too much pressure. After my last breakup, I decided to just take things as they came, but to avoid the confusion and hurt feelings, I would be completely honest with anybody I was with. If things seem headed towards sex, I let the other person know that I'm not ready for exclusivity, that I am seeing other people, and am open to sex with them as well. I was shocked at how many women were open to that. And how positive most of it has turned out. I may still find myself in a mono relationship, but I can see now how limiting, and harmful, my little rules were. One thing I discovered was that by denying myself the company of a lover, I ended up choosing someone to be exclusive with too early, and I set up expectations in their minds that caused a lot of pain if they weren't realized. -
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Re: Poly <~~> Mono
Thu, April 24, 2008 - 2:34 PMI think alot of times when we create rules for different reasons they end up bitting us in the ass, whereas when we can be as open as possible to as much as possible while standing firm on those few but important issues that are necessary to our health and wellbeing things expand and grow in amazing ways. -
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Re: Poly <~~> Mono
Thu, April 24, 2008 - 3:02 PMWell said! I'm taking a very "open to what happens, as long as I feel good and self-respectful about it, and am adhering to my own personal values" approach. I had a list of what I thought was important, but I'm seeing that there are very few must haves outside of amazing chemistry and a great sense of humor.
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Re: Poly <~~> Mono
Wed, April 23, 2008 - 10:03 PMYeah, for some reason I don't like the term "poly." I don't know why. Maybe cuz I've been doing this longer than the term has been in common parlance. And likely because I've just met too many weirdly self-righteous "poly is the only way" folks that I feel squicky aligning myself wholeheartedly with such a slippery, ill-defined beast.
That said--I seem to function best with a primary and a secondary person in my life. I have been married for over 20 years, and have always either had a girl- or boy-friend, or at least the option. I am not good at having sex with people i don't love, and I don't seem to be constitutionally wired to be in love with more than two people, so this set-up seems to work. Ideally, my husband also has a secondary, and both of those people have someone else in their lives too, or are happy to be single-ish, so they don't feel sad about not being the "one and only." Right now my boyfriend is sort of dating around looking for a primary partner, and my husband's girlfriend is on the verge of a divorce (nothing to do with him--this was the case when he met her). So, not ideal, but pretty darn good right now. I do have a concern that my boyfriend will meet the girl of his dreams and she'll be non-poly-accepting, but whatever. No need to borrow trouble . . .
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Re: Poly <~~> Mono
Thu, April 24, 2008 - 1:03 AMI'm sure a lot of you think I'm the poly poster child but if we invent a Monogamy scale that works like the Kinsey scale (en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kinsey_scale) then I'm probably really only a 4. Although the Klein Grid (en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Klei...tion_Grid) might be a better model. But I'll stick with the Kinsey model because I don't have to draw a diagram to discuss it.
I always call myself polyamorous regardless of what sort of relationships I'm in. I'm poly when I'm single. I'm poly when I only have one partner. It's like being bisexual: I don't become heterosexual just because I don't have a girlfriend at the moment. I'm not poly as a political statement or even as a "lifestyle." I'm poly because I fall in love with people and it's often not in a serial fashion. I'm poly because I was raised to be and I flat don't have most of the jealousy issues that I see people struggle with. I'm poly because I'm not OK with pretending I don't love somebody just because I already happen to love somebody else. I'm poly because I would be very sad to only have one gender in my life as a romantic partner. I would very much like to have some stable life-mates eventually but accept that most relationships are temporary things that have their time and then must be let go of. On the other hand I'm not inclined to have sex with a bunch of random people just for the fun of it. I'm a very sexual person and I do enjoy to play sometimes but I'm also a strongly emotional and intensely loyal person. Some poly really is no holds barred tumbling any interesting person you meet and never forming strong relationships with your partners. I put in overtime to form relationships that are as deep as my partner will let me go with ALL of my mates and partners and lovers. Some of the folks I love would never make good mates (life partners) so they stay partners. Some of the folks I love can't integrate into my life so they stay lovers. Some folks are passing joys that are wondrous people but for whatever reason an involved relationship between us would never work and I call them Chew Toys. Some are friends that sometimes like to share my bed. I usually just call those folks friends. I'm as loyal in my way to my Chew Toys as many folks are to their husbands and wives. They are all important. None of them are discardable. None of them are things to be used for my benefit. I give all of them as much of myself as they ask for. And I DO commit to work on my relationships. I will sweat, bleed, and cry for a relationship before I give up on it unless we have a mutual parting of ways.
"But I'm always true to you, Darling, in my fashion.... Yes I'm always true to you, Darling, in my way..." -
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Re: Poly <~~> Mono
Thu, April 24, 2008 - 2:32 PMI think you'd make an excellent poster girl for poly...but I am not surprised that you don't necessarily practice it the way some people imagine poly works and some people practice it.
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Re: Poly <~~> Mono
Thu, April 24, 2008 - 3:49 AMI'm mono. Just wired that way.
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Re: Poly <~~> Mono
Thu, April 24, 2008 - 7:15 AMI favor polygamy, it's got advantages that have yet to be explored. It's got a bad rep by some unscrupulous people.
But I practice monogamy. Just never met the right people. Most I've had contact with were interested first in finanances and then in me as a person. That's not how I roll.
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Re: Poly <~~> Mono
Thu, April 24, 2008 - 2:35 PMMono... not to be confused with "a mano" lol
Just one intimate relationship at a time for me. Even if a poly was open and on the table, it would just get too weird for me. But, I have no experience in that. I've never even juggled girlfriends. I do realize poly is not about juggling relationships but having an open and honest intimacy with more than one partner, with all parties aware of it. Just a bit more complicated for me, than the benefits I would anticipate. Why not just stay "single" and make the rounds? On the other hand, I don't really believe in a one-and-only forever who can meet every need, not only sexual. I give my partner the freedom to enjoy anyone's personality, even the risque parts of it. As long as she's not bedding them, it's acceptable for me. -
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Just my perspective
Thu, April 24, 2008 - 4:09 PMJust to give you my take on why I don't just stay single and "make the rounds" is because I really am looking for long term committed relationships. I don't really consider a relationship "serious" unless it lasts at LEAST a year. I'm not committed to exclusivity but I AM committed to the person, to the relationship, to working on our bond and trying to be a better person for my partner and help them to be a better, happier, healthier person too. Sex is one of the best ways I know to facilitate the depth of relationship I'm looking for and I see no reason to deny myself sex with the people I love. I also often love VERY different personalities and body types. I get people who help me meet different needs and inspire me in different ways. For me it's worth the work but I realize that it is a LOT of work and an exponential level of complexity. For me it's worth it. For people who tend to fall in love in a serial fashion I imagine it's not.
I also love having co-girlfriends and co-boyfriends to help take some of the pressure off me in my relationships. Then when I'm feeling like shit on a shingle and can't be there for my partner there is somebody else who is hopefully in better shape at the moment. If I have an event that I'm going to there is somebody else to keep him company. And I have a "check" to see if I'm imagining fears or expressing unrealistic expectations. For me that's great! -
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Re: Just my perspective
Thu, April 24, 2008 - 7:35 PMi really love you myriad.....or the persona/expressions you share on tribe.
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Re: Just my perspective
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Re: Aw Shucks
Fri, April 25, 2008 - 2:54 PMit occurs to me that sometimes I don't comment on your posts that resonate with me the most because I just sit there nodding going of course...and not really sure what to say that is worth saying to add on to what you've said. That post was one of them. -
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Re: Aw Shucks
Fri, April 25, 2008 - 3:07 PMi swear i'm going to just stop posting in this tribe, considering how often any post i might make would consist of "ditto what myriad said." :-)
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